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	<title>Comments on: Code notes: Expanding and collapsing lists</title>
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		<title>By: site admin</title>
		<link>http://rishida.net/blog/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-6678</link>
		<dc:creator>site admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Derek,  Thanks for the suggestion.  It just so happens that I have implemented exactly what you suggest already, and will upload the new version soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Derek,  Thanks for the suggestion.  It just so happens that I have implemented exactly what you suggest already, and will upload the new version soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Featherstone</title>
		<link>http://rishida.net/blog/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-6677</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Featherstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might also want to reconsider the positioning of hidden content off-left. Going off-left rather than display:none means that a sighted keyboard user will be tabbing through a load of links that they can&#039;t see on the page. This can be very confusing.

Using display:none removes the &quot;hidden&quot; content from the tab flow, but off left doesn&#039;t. This means to get from one of your triggers to the next - you have several tab stops instead of just one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might also want to reconsider the positioning of hidden content off-left. Going off-left rather than display:none means that a sighted keyboard user will be tabbing through a load of links that they can&#8217;t see on the page. This can be very confusing.</p>
<p>Using display:none removes the &#8220;hidden&#8221; content from the tab flow, but off left doesn&#8217;t. This means to get from one of your triggers to the next &#8211; you have several tab stops instead of just one.</p>
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		<title>By: site admin</title>
		<link>http://rishida.net/blog/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-6648</link>
		<dc:creator>site admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Patrick. Thanks for the comments.
re a elements: ah, that&#039;s why. Ok I&#039;ll look at putting them in when i get a moment (which may not be for several days).

re open/close buttons: yes, i ummed and ahhed a lot about that.  In the end i decided that I didn&#039;t want to force the page owner to write their own page-specific javascript, so i did it the way i describe, but i know it&#039;s a problem if ever you have styling turned off. hmm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Patrick. Thanks for the comments.<br />
re a elements: ah, that&#8217;s why. Ok I&#8217;ll look at putting them in when i get a moment (which may not be for several days).</p>
<p>re open/close buttons: yes, i ummed and ahhed a lot about that.  In the end i decided that I didn&#8217;t want to force the page owner to write their own page-specific javascript, so i did it the way i describe, but i know it&#8217;s a problem if ever you have styling turned off. hmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: patrick h. lauke</title>
		<link>http://rishida.net/blog/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-6647</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick h. lauke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>although it&#039;a very old and does something subtly different, you could have a look at http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/31/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>although it&#8217;a very old and does something subtly different, you could have a look at <a href="http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/31/" rel="nofollow">http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/31/</a></p>
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		<title>By: patrick h. lauke</title>
		<link>http://rishida.net/blog/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-6646</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick h. lauke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, instead of having the open/close buttons in the markup and unhiding them via js, a cleaner approach would be to leave them out of your markup and generate them via javascript in the first place - no javascript, no generated buttons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, instead of having the open/close buttons in the markup and unhiding them via js, a cleaner approach would be to leave them out of your markup and generate them via javascript in the first place &#8211; no javascript, no generated buttons.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick h. lauke</title>
		<link>http://rishida.net/blog/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-6645</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick h. lauke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>problem is, though, that unless you&#039;re generating proper A elements (or use some further trickery to make an element focussable), your final example is completely keyboard-inaccessible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>problem is, though, that unless you&#8217;re generating proper A elements (or use some further trickery to make an element focussable), your final example is completely keyboard-inaccessible.</p>
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